Warum flog Vogel? Wen holen die Mavericks? James Harden für Carmelo Anthony? Verschwörungen …

Der neue Fragenpodcast kümmert sich um die Playoff-Probleme Kyle Korvers, der Hawks-Defensive, die Strategie der Raptors in Sachen Jonas Valanciunas und die Probleme der Favoriten in Spiel zwei. Ebenfalls unter anderem dabei: Das Ende Frank Vogels in Indianapolis, die Zukunft der Dallas Mavericks auf Point Guard und Center, traden die Lakers ihren Toppick oder die Knicks Carmelo Anthony für James Harden?

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4 Antworten zu „Warum flog Vogel? Wen holen die Mavericks? James Harden für Carmelo Anthony? Verschwörungen …“

  1. Avatar von Michael Franke
    Michael Franke

    Bin mal gespannt auf den Pod!! Harden für Melo? Da Müsste Houston schon 5,0 Promille haben

  2. Avatar von durant35
    durant35

    Wie immer ein sehr unterhaltsamer Pod.

    Nur deine Erleuterung zu Bosh deckt sich überhaupt nicht mit meinem Kenntnisstand. Soweit mit bekannt ist, zählt ein Spieler, der aus gesundheitlichen Gründen seine Karriere beenden muss, noch ein Jahr gegen den Cap und fällt erst dann raus. Deshalb gab es ja lange Zeit die Diskussion, ob die Heat in mit Absicht zurückhalten, da die Frist mit dem letzten Spiel vor seiner Problematik starten würde. Wenn Bosh jetzt auch nur eine Minute auf dem Feld stehen würde, würde die Jahresfrist ab dem Zeitpunkt neu gestartet.

    1. Avatar von Dré

      Hi, hier mal der komplette Absatz aus dem CBA. Ich meine, dass ich gesagt habe, dass wenn ein unabhängiger Arzt das Karriereende quasi diagnostiziert, das Gehalt sofort vom Team Salary verschwindet. Ich zitiere: “The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association. The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

      If the injury exclusion is granted, the player’s salary is removed from the team salary immediately.”

      63. What are the rules for retired players? What if the player suffers a career-ending injury?

      There’s nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he’s not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career.

      The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn’t want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league’s Voluntarily Retired list (see question number 79), forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year. The latter requirement prevents players from using retirement as an underhanded way to change teams, and can be overridden with unanimous approval from all 30 teams. For example, guard Jason Williams signed with the LA Clippers in August 2008, then changed his mind the following month, announcing his retirement. He applied for reinstatement in early 2009, but his request was denied by a vote of 24-6. Williams later signed with the Orlando Magic once the one-year anniversary of his retirement announcement had passed.

      Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.

      There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player’s team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

      The waiting period depends on the number games in which the player played in the season:1

      If the player played 10 or more games in a season, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player’s last game.
      If the player played fewer than 10 in a season, the team can apply 60 days after his last game, or the one-year anniversary of his last game in the previous season, whichever is later.
      The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association. The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

      If the injury exclusion is granted, the player’s salary is removed from the team salary immediately.

      If the player later “proves the doctors wrong” and resumes his career, then his salary is returned to the team salary when he plays in his 25th game1 in any one season, for any team. This allows a player to attempt to resume his career without affecting his previous team unless his comeback is ultimately successful. If the 25th game was a playoff game, then the player’s salary is returned to the cap effective on the date of the team’s last regular season game (i.e., the returned salary counts toward the luxury tax).

      There are a few additional nuances to the salary exclusion:

      If the player resumes his career and his salary is returned to the team salary, the team can re-apply for the salary exclusion under the same rules (including the rules for the waiting period).
      If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.
      A team cannot apply for this salary exclusion if they have applied for a Disabled Player exception (see question number 25) that season, whether the exception was granted or not.
      If this salary exclusion is granted, the team cannot re-sign or re-acquire the player at any time.
      This salary exclusion can be used when a player dies while under contract.
      1 They count only regular season and playoff games, and do not count preseason games. This was not specified prior to the 2011 CBA. During the 2008-09 season Darius Miles (whose salary was excluded from Portland’s cap) played in 10 games for Boston and Memphis (the limit was 10 games at the time), which included preseason games. The league counted the preseason games toward the total, and returned Miles’ salary to Portland’s cap.

  3. Avatar von durant35
    durant35

    Danke für die ausführliche Antwort. Habe da im speziellen Fall aber von Capspezialisten in Chats oder Podcastes die Erörterung im Fall Bosh gehört. In Miami hat man dies wie folgt analysiert:

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-chris-bosh-s022416-story.html

    Should Bosh’s situation turn into the worst case of retirement, the Heat would not receive salary-cap relief for one year, until the one-year anniversary of such an announcement. That means the Heat would have to carry Bosh’s full $23.7 million 2016-17 salary on their salary cap through the 2016 offseason free-agency and trading period.

    Ich glaub Eric Pincus (?) von Bballinsider hat den Zeitpunkt zum Start der Jahresfrist aufs letzte bestrittene Spiel gelegt.

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